Kundalini Conversation With Tanja Diamond

Kundalini energy is misunderstood just like Tantra, this interview clears up some questions about it.

Tanja: Okay, so you have some questions regarding  kundalini  and  sexual energy.  Do you want to go ahead and tell me a little bit about your story?

Male: Sure, I have been to see an acupuncturist and I had been to see him for borderline high blood pressure and a condition called atribfibulation, he’s an oriental guy and so he uses a lot of oriental terms to describe what I needed to do therapy wise to address the issue.  He told me – about abdomial breathing and every time I would to go see him he would say, “you need to practice deep abdominal breathing.”

Tanja: Right.

Male: And so initially I didn’t take it that seriously but after the 3^rd or 4^th visit he said “are you doing it correctly let’s go over it.”.  He said “You are too yang you need to be more yin.  We need to build yin energy in you.  You appear to be under a lot of stress.  You’re a type A personality.”  He said “deep breathing will build your sympathetic nervous system.  Your sympathetic nervous system is way too high.  Your heart is beating irregularly”.

Tanja: You’re in the fight or flight mode.

Male: Right.  And so I decided to take him seriously and practice it.  So after about 2 weeks I noticed a difference;  clear difference.  I was waking up with morning erections that were like “wow I haven’t seen these in I don’t know how long.” And they were pretty persistent and I was like “I wonder if this a byproduct of what’s going on?” and I had read about how deep breathing can transform you in that regard.  I had read about Tantra.  I had been to your site and I had been to some others.  But anyway, one morning about 3:30 in the mornin I woke up with an erection and I was like “oh wow” and I wanted to get back to sleep so I’ll just deep breath for a while.  So I began to deep breath and lost my erection and said “oh the hell with it. I don’t care about it.  I just want to go back to sleep.” So after about half an hour I noticed that I was in a deep sleep and then all of the sudden I felt this surge in my pelvis up through my back and my butt muscles began to quiver and contract and I felt that strong blissful energy crawl up my back and then get stronger up through my shoulder area and I remember thinking “wow, what was that?”.

Tanja: (laughter) Whoa!

Male: And then I get another surge and then I think, “If that’s what I think it is…”  Well anyway, the next morning I woke up in a state and I said, you know what I’m going to do – I have to be explicit about it -  I said I’m going to masturbate, I’m going to ejaculate because I’ve got a lot of sexual energy here.  And I said “I’ll be satisfied, I’ll be fine.”  But later on that day when I got up and around I noticed my recovery period was just like…I said “I can’t believe I’m back at it – that I’m still wanting it, you know?”

Tanja: Right.

Male: Normally if you deal with this there’s a down time of at least a few days.  But now when I got home that night I said “you know I could do this again.” And then the days that followed after I remember being revved up.  My libido just took off and I began to get concerned about it and then I began to read about it. And as I read about it I discovered through corresponding with a few people and reading about it that it was Kundalini rising.  And then I read some derogatory information about Kindalini rising about how it can virtually haunt you and it can be bad and the way they refer to it as waking a serpent and the serpent crawls up your back and if it’s untamed and quite frankly  I began to wonder because the result was so strong. I don’t know if I can control this because I was pretty worked up and I noticed a big change in my drive.  And every morning was the same thing.  I said “oh my god.”  Under my acupuncturist instructions he said deep breath in the morning and before I get up and sure enough I feel that glow in my lower back and that glow would creep up and then it would shudder up through my shoulders again.  And I went back to him and I consulted with him and he said “that’s rising chi”.  I was not going to object because quite frankly it’s pretty nice.

Tanja: Awesome!  I was going to say….and how old are you?

Male: 54

Tanja: Right and so this is a kind of thing where if someone has been practicing Tantra since they were really young, this feeling through their whole life  into their 90’s and bigger.

Male: Wow.

Tanja: Because this is the tip of the iceberg that you’re experiencing.  Now, let me clear up some things.  I love this question so I want to get this right up front here,  you are Christian, right?

Male: Right.

Tanja: You asked about the terms of gods and goddesses that when you’re looking into Tantra and all these.  First of all Tantra itself – the ancient ritual of Tantra is not a religion. Tantra was made into a religion for house holders and that’s an entirely different thing.  Now it has some of the same techniques and some of that type of thing but I actually teach Tantra for Christians meaning that taking the god and goddesses out  andusing the  practical advice and philosophies of it. So there’s no way there’s any worry about whether this messes with your religion or if Kundalini is a serpent that’s part of the devil that’s going to rise up and take you over.  No.  There’s nothing of that.  This is life force energy.  And I’m going to explain to you that what you’re experiencing has nothing to do with Kundalini.  This is where theI get upset with  this issue because most people are just reading information  and because somebody passed along some information that when your body awakens it’s all Kundalini.

Male: Oh I getcha, yeah.

Tanja: So let me tell you first of all, congratulations, because learning to abdominally breath for one will lower your blood pressure and change your life anyway.  It’s going to completely change it as you’re probably already experiencing.

Male: Yes I have, yeah.

Tanja: And two, abdominal breathing relaxes the organs and the blood vessels and all the things that we need to relax in our pelvis so that we actually have a libido again.  Most people’s libido dies out as they age, not because it’s supposed to, but because of the tension and the chronic pain and the muscles that hurt and all that energy being blocked. So you’re experiencing a resurgence of relaxation in your body to normality.

Male: Right.

Tanja: So you’re experiencing what you normally should feel.  Now that can be very overwhelming when you haven’t had it or it seems like , Oh my god I’m 18 again.  The wind blows and I have an erection and oh my god what do I do with all this energy that I’m having.  This is where learning how to harness that energy and learning what to do with it – in other words not to just masturbate it out all the time – because that will exhaust your adrenals.

Male: Right.

Tanja: So if you get into this frenzy where you have to get rid of that energy because it’s so big that you start chronically masturbating to ejaculation, that’s going to cause some harm. You should only be ejaculating maybe once every 16-28 days if that. We teach ejaculation mastery about retaining that energy.

So that’s where you use this energy to do something.  Now it’s getting stuck in your spine.  The reason it’s not coming up your back, through your spine, around your head and back down again, is because of chronic tension and because you really need to work on opening up all the channels.  Because this energy will go up your back and around your brain through the roof of your mouth and then down the front, back and down to your pelvic organs again. That requires a little bit of practice. It requires just remaining open and continuing to breathe and move that energy.   When people feel that energy rising up their body and it gets stuck  sometimes it hurts.  Sometimes it gets stuck and it’s physically painful because it’s so much energy.  Like trying to get through a garden hose that’s kinked.

Male: Right.

Tanja: So that’s why that can be shutter or feel painful and that’s when people freak out and go oh my god I’m having Kundalini awakening and it’s going to blow my brains out or I’m going to freak out and become insane.  I’m sure you’ve read so much stuff it’s not even funny.

Male: Well I read an account of one gentleman.  It basically ruined his life.  His personality became different and he couldn’t sleep.  I  would feel anxious at times.  A few nights I came home and I said I hope I can sleep soundly.

Tanja: It can be very overwhelming for sure.  And once again, I tell people that this is just your body awakening.  Your body is capable of running this energy if you are open.  So when you’re acupuncturist had you start doing the deep breathing – the breathing itself can sometimes just open up all the channels, so that when energy flows it doesn’t hurt.  But some people are extraordinarily sensitive.  Some people just have bigger capacity – especially type A personalities.  We tend to run a lot of energy anyway.  So when that opening happens, it’s going to be intense, it’s going to be big. So ways to move that energy is movement and sound.  So movement, sound and continuing to do the breathing but focusing on bringing the energy back down again so it doesn’t stay in one place.Because if it just stays in your genitals it will be too much, because that’s too small of a place to have all that energy.  Nature designed us to want to release that energy for procreation. When we turn that energy and start running it up our bodies then it can become too much if we don’t continue to move it back through so circulating – creating a circle with it or even expelling it out into the world.  But just harnessing all that in your body can be very agitating, frustrating, painful….as well as blissful and “oh my god this is amazing.” So working out definitely helps.  Sound – like you can turn on some music, jump around and make sound – that will use energy.

Male: Right.

Tanja: Like I said, it’s better not to just ejaculate it away even though that will move it – you will still have the energy there.  Your now wasting your adrenals, your life force while you have all that energy.  Once it’s moved up you can’t just expel it through the genitals.  Does that make sense?

Male: Yes.

Tanja: So, number 1, this is not Kundalini, this is simply your body awakening to some amazing things.  You’re not going to go insane.  Nothing bad is going to happen to you.  You can get manic because of the big amount of energy and that mania and how you deal with it psychologically can cause damage.  And see this is what happens.  People all of the sudden awaken and they mentally don’t know what to do with it and they get scared.  I tell people that my entire body is vibrating at a level that’s probably like a power house or whatever.  I feel tingle, vibration, all of that stuff all of the time. That’s how I normally live.  The first question is “how do you get anything done in your life?”  Well because it becomes my normal (laughter). Because it’s normal and then you open up to more and that becomes the normal and then you open up to more and then that becomes the normal….we have infinite capacity to run universal life energy through our bodies.

Male: If you look at the physiological markers during arousal and you look at the blood pressure and you look at respiration and let’s say you looked at the hormonal activity – if I get aroused and I don’t ejaculate – and I’ve experienced this before because all through my adulthood I’ve made it a point, if I wanted to periodically sometimes I would masturbate and I would postpone ejaculation and say “alright, let’s not do it until day 10 because it will be much better then.” I would bring it to a point and bring it to a point and then say “okay let’s quit because I know it will be better” and I would do that maybe once a month and I had a friend that would do it too.

Tanja: Yes definitely.

Male: But invariable what happens is that you’re an anxious character.

Tanja: (laughter) That’s right because….

Male: Is it the breathing that will assist you in that regard and keep you from walking around being 190 over 110, you know?

Tanja: First of all, anytime when any of us can remember back to the first signs of sexual arousal when we were kids and teenagers, it was overwhelming.  As a teen boy – most teen boys are overwhelmed with the amount of energy they have surging in their pelvis.  Their walking around in a constant state of “oh my god.” But guess what, you got used to it.  Because by your 20’s it wasn’t as intense.So the same kind of thing now,  basically what you do is when you feel that arousal happen – and you’re saying that all of the sudden it goes to your spine, right? And you can feel it.

Male: A real glow – a real glow in my pelvis. That’s the way I describe it – a glow I didn’t have before clearly.

Tanja: Yes, yes…glow in your pelvis.  You would want to breathe it and take the glow – actually give it a visual and pull it up the back of your spine and see if you can get it to the roof of your mouth.  Up the back of your head and then down the front to the roof of your mouth.  See if you can actually grab onto that visual and then when you’re breathing pull it up and then drop it in the roof of your mouth.  Then see what happens.  Because from the roof of your mouth it can dissipate a lot differently.  From there you can just pull it back down the front of your body and then ….

Male: It’s pretty strong though.

Tanja: Yeah and then letting it dissipate so in other words, the energy’s there, you could have a full blown stage 4 erection, you could just be totally out of your mind and if you relax the entire body because ejaculating and tension have to do with muscles being tense – by relaxing and breathing deeply, you also bring the relaxation to it, which dissipates all that.  So you could have your blood pressure sky rocketing – you start deep breathing your blood pressure is going to drop.  Physiologically, you can’t have the 2 things happening at the same time.

Male: Interesting.

Tanja:  You cannot be deep breathing and have your blood pressure high.  So whether it’s stuck in your spine or behind your shoulder blades you can try to breathe it up into your head.  If it’s intense – if it’s too intense, jump around, move, use energy.  Energy and breath follows sound; deep breathing, noise.

Well when you tell me that it’s getting stuck in your shoulder blades and stuff, that’s heart.  That’s heart and if it’s a little bit higher, it’s about truth – it’s about speaking your truth.

Male: Oh really?

Tanja: Yeah.  If you’re keeping things inside that you’re not really speaking about or you’ve had some severe heartache – break up, lonely, overwhelmed. That could all be causing a block in your body.  The same way that I’m saying to jump around and make noise and stuff – when you have that energy there, the energy will unblock that for you if you utilize sound and movement.

Male: Interesting, yeah.

Tanja: And breathing into that area. So like when you’re doing the abdominal breathing, bring your breathing up to your heart. Bring some conscious and some love to your heart and see if you can expand to your chest and see if that helps as well.  So this is what I’m basically tell you – you have energy that is coming up your body, and you have blocks that are keeping it from flowing.

Male: What I did initially and I had read about it.  See I had been reading about your site and a few others – I guess some people call it spinal breathing. So when I was exhaling I was sending the energy down and it was bouncing off that spot in your crotch that you talked about.  I would feel it bounce off that point.  I’d go “maybe it’s a good thing, maybe it’s bad.”  After a half an hour that’s when it moves and that’s when I was pretty blown away about it, and my sister I told her about it and she said if you can control that energy that’s healing you can heal others with that.

Tanja: Well what you can do right now, you’re doing  what I teach for ejaculation mastery you’re using the energy high arousal energy to bounce it off that perineum like a trampoline up the body and are having full blown body orgasms instead of ejaculation.  So you’re already having body energy orgasms.  You’re having energetic, physical orgasm’s without the ejaculation.

Male: Yeah.  I was flaccid at the time.  I was completely flaccid.

Tanja: Right.  I can teach a paraplegic how to have orgasms.  It has nothing to do with an erection.

Male: Unbelievable.

Tanja: And then ejaculation is only the last muscular contraction that expels fluid, so ejaculation is not even the part that feels good, it’s all the physical, body energetic  feelings before ejaculation that are actually the orgasm.  You’re experiencing some orgasm through your body.  You’re experiencing energy rising up moving freely, experiencing some blocks around truth or heart – somewhere around there. And your own energy – certainly no problem helping you move those blocks if you just take that consciousness that you’re using to breath and breath that energy up and when it gets to their expand.  Visualize this opening and expanding, allowing the energy to run.  And like I said, the fear is what happens when people have these – what feels like these huge experiences, because most people are pretty dead.  Most people are pretty unaware of their bodies.  And then they start actually waking up, it can get scary.  And the fear is what ends up driving people to these places that you hear about with so called Kundalini because Kundalini doesn’t  rise until someone is actually trained.  I’ve read a ton – I’m classically trained.  I was trained by somebody that has a lineage that goes back 7000 years.  So you don’t see a lot of that today.  There’s a lot of neo Tantra and a lot of people reading and not really understanding what they’re translating.  Kundalini really requires mastery.  You already have to be completely awake to even start working on that.  So I’m really on this mission like “Hey people, I know that’s feeling great, I understand it’s huge, I understand …you may be feeling like your holding the hands of God – it will get that big”.  Because when you experience Kundalini rising, everything in your world changes in the sense that you see color completely differently.  You smell everything differently.  You taste everything differently.  You see the breathing – you can almost see trees and rocks breathing.  To try and explain that to someone who hasn’t even been close – it’s really difficult.  That’s why this whole thing is so elusive. Kundalini is being woven into the matrix so that you…

Male: Have you experienced it?

Tanja: Yes.

Male: Oh you have?

Tanja: Yes, that’s why I thought the stuff I was having before was the same thing everyone was talking about.  So I’ve been through this whole process from -oh my god I’m awakening -to   I even had an experience where I was mumbling in tongues, hanging off the side of cliff- really crazy stuff.  It was just energy moving through my body that was hitting blocks and me getting scared.  When I moved past that and kept moving past that and kept moving past that and then did the training for the Kundalini, for awakening, that’s when I realized I was just basically waking up.  We are so dead and so numb that waking up us so intense for most people it’s yeah…  Like I said, you’re going to continue to have even more experiences and the thing to do is not to worry about your blood pressure because breathing is going to keep it under control, and this surge of hormones, this libido, this sexual energy rising is going to heal you.  So whatever you have going on it’s going to make everything better; if you don’t go crazy in the ejaculation world…

Male: Since reading it I just ejaculate now for – just to move the fluid basically, you know?

Tanja:  Just so you know you don’t actually have to do that.  There’s no medical reason. I know men that practice it who haven’t ejaculated in 30 or 40 years.  It just reabsorbs into the body.

Male: Oh it does?

Tanja: …oh you do not  have to ejaculate because of prostrate health.  The prostate is contracting all through this stuff prior to ejaculation, it’s a different nerve root, all the contraction prior to the final emission of semen is enough to stay healthy.  So there’s nothing absolutely nothing that says you have to do anything with any of that.  Remember the monks were celebrate and non-ejaculatory.

Male: Is there a mechanism in your body, as far as you know, that signals ….and I read this again somewhere, I don’t know if it’s legitimate…but is there a mechanism in your body that after you ejaculate that says “okay, time to get the system working again to make more”.

Tanja: Yes, it can take up to 6 weeks or more to replenish the fluid loss.  Not the actual , pre-cum fluid but all the vital energies and nutrients and everything.  You know when they say “give blood” and only give blood every 6 weeks?

Male: Yeah.

Tanja: Semen is even harder to replace, especially if we consider that it has life force in it; that’ the part that creates life.  So really the big thing that I teach a lot of men is the conservation of life force energy.

Male: Cultivation and preservation.

Tanja: Right, yeah and how to manage that energy because right now because you’re having this experience, you’re walking into a second sexual awakening.  You’re walking into what you would have had at age 18 or 20 except with the wisdom and knowledge  you have at 54.

Male: Precisely.  Yeah I couldn’t agree more for what I know now is just, it’s amazing and I have friends…close friends I’ve let in on this and they look at me and say “You mean you still wake up with those?” and I say “yes”.  It used to be once every 2 or 3 times in 2 weeks and now it’s like every day. if I get good rest it’s there and it means business you know?

Tanja: And that’s the point.  Men these days take it as a given because of all the Viagra commercials and everything else that after age 35 or 40 you’re pretty well done.  Men believe this because they’re being programmed for it and based on not taking care because nobody is deep breathing, nobody is relaxing at all – it’s always this tension, tension.  That’s the main cause of ED is tension.

Male: Oh I know it now and I’m really, as you say, I’m really dedicated to it.  I try to breath now twice a day for 30 minutes and after 20 minutes I say “yes, now I feel different”.  I feel different.

Tanja: Well you’re getting in touch with a body that you probably haven’t been in touch with for a long time.

Male: Yeah.

Tanja: This is a precursor into learning about becoming a Tantra sexual master it’s the first step.  All these things that you’re talking about are the things that I train and teach for Tantra ejaculation mastery and then Tantra sexual mastery. So you’re well on your way to becoming full body orgasmic – without any hands – “look ma no hands”.  When I tell people you can have an orgasm just taking a breath their like “you’re kidding” – and I’m like “no, totally possible”.  So I think you’ve landed onto an awesome thing.  Just do not read too much misinformation.

Male: Well this is good information.  It really is.  These are things I didn’t know and I contacted you because after looking at your site I said “You know what? I think this girl is probably very good at cutting through the mustard here.  She looks like she’s pretty grounded. I said I don’t care for any spooky mystical experiences.  I don’t think I need that you know?

Tanja: I like practical.  I can woo woo with the rest of them, I mean that’s my training, but even the old Tantra masters, it was really about a very scientific, systematic approach. So a lot of the new age Tantra gets  all the new age stuff without the solid foundations behind it and this is where a lot of the misinformation is coming from. You know when you read a book about, let’s say Tantra ejaculation mastery and you say, “oh I can read these tips and I can just do it”.  But the problem is that the tips were taken and translated but without the understanding that entire societies were raised a certain way so they had this foundation under them – so then when you take the tips, they work.  But if you don’t have the foundation and you just take the tips, they don’t work so well.

Male: Interesting.

Tanja: The same thing about Kundalini and about yoga. Breathe work itself is an entire science and a spiritual practice – just itself.  You could spend your life working on different breath techniques that change various things.  I’m giving you this information and I’m giving you practical applications.  There are so many places to go with it and so many things to do with it.  Most people of course in the west they’re all about sex.  So that’s what interests them and that’s what I get the most phone calls about.  When in actuality what we’re really talking about is even bigger. You know we are sexual beings but our sexual energy is such a small part of our energy capacity or even the types of energy that we can use.  When you’re friend talked about you using  this for healing.  What we’re talking about is once you harness energy, once you understand how to utilize energy consciously, then you can direct energy. When you can direct energy, what can you do?  If everything is energy, that pretty well answers that question.  Some people get scared of that because of course now we’re walking into that mystical place. Where does that cross over? Some people are very afraid of Tantra because they think it sounds like something  out of the occult and certainly some people have taken some of Tantra and done that but Tantra is really the science of harnessing energy.  And sexual energy is what we’re all interested in because it’s more tangible because we’re sexual beings and our entire focus is procreation, we can get that.  That’s a big energy. We can feel it. We can be pretty dead and still feel that. And so I think that’s why that energy was utilized because that’s the most easily accessible, understandable energy that we have when we’re not very subtle, not very alive. Does that make sense?

Male: Sure, yeah, absolutely.

Tanja: I would say to you to just continue the breathing.  When I say breath and sound I mean really literally get up, jump around, shake your body and make…

Male: Doesn’t that disrupt your relaxation state?

Tanja: If the energy is stuck or it’s too intense it needs to move and the best way to move that is with intense movement sound and it will dissipate it.  Like anything else, when we start out we don’t have mastery, right?  We have these experiences that happen to us. What you’re working for is mastery which is learning how to actually consciously bring this energy to your disposal to use for yourself, to move it to where you want to do it, to make it bigger, make it smaller and eventually you will do that all by just taking a breath.

Male: I’m amazed by it. I really am.  I said to myself this activity is free and look what it does

Tanja: Well I don’t take drugs and I don’t drink and you now know why. There was never any reason for that.  If you can have those experiences and create that kind of energy in your body – why do you need anything else?

Male: When I emailed you for the first time I was concerned.  I was concerned.

Tanja: Well, like I said, we’re pretty dead.  We’re pretty tuned out and closed off and we start having body experiences and we start going “whoa, what is going on?” “What’s happening in my life?”  You can certainly add this into prayer, mediation into prayer; you can direct this as universal energy.  It’s starting off as sexual energy because that’s what you’re feeling.  But see when we talk about life force energy, it’s like God-force energy.  It’s life.  It’s universal. It doesn’t have to be all about sex.  Right now you’re feeling the sex charge, but as you breath and as you learn to move those blocks in your body and as you learn to experience this more fully, it will become arousal energy.  To me – being horny and being aroused are two different things.  Horny is that sexual energy that you need to dissipate.  Arousal is just like this big energy that keeps cracking it open further and further and further until you’re in this brilliant state where it’s like wow.

Male: Where everybody’s…where everything is beautiful.

Tanja: And anti-aging.  So the other thing that you’re doing when you’re having these experiences, this energy moving  through your body is you’re flooding your body with the hormones and energy that heal.

Male: That’s the part I initially went for and you mentioned it earlier and this is something I never knew and this touches on another point about Western medicine therapy; dilating the small vessels in your body using oxygen to do it.  The peripheral resistance in your arteries is reduced just from breathing.  Now why is it that Western medicine doesn’t…well I know why, it’s about making money and its capitalism which is fine – I’m fine with capitalism but I don’t need the medications if I do this.  So why doesn’t my cardiologist say the thing my Eastern guy insisted that I do it, insisted that I practice it, insisted. This is very critical this is very important to you…and every time I went in he said the same thing – “are you doing it?”  He can tell from my pulse where I’m at – where my nervous system is at. Okay, you’re not there – now deep breath.  He took my bottom number, deep breathing for 5 minutes; he took my bottom number down 20 points.

Tanja: Right, I know.  I’ve been teaching conscious breath work for 25 years and I have many stories of transforming and changing people’s lives in like 4 weeks.  I remember this one guy, he was 72 and he said he called me because he had been standing on a treadmill and he decided this was kind of silly,  how can this be so simple “she wants me to breath a certain way.  Doesn’t she understand I have all these problems and troubles and she’s telling me breath?” And finally he said “oh fine” and so he was on the treadmill and actually had his pulse monitor on and stuff and he said he was going along and he started breathing and doing what I said and he watched these numbers drop all the way down to half of what they were on his pulse and he said “I can’t even believe it”.  This is true.  My blood pressure is about 110 over 60.  When I’m in practice my pulse rate is down to about 42.  So  is simply like you said, why isn’t’ this the number 1 health plan?  We should be teaching kids this – how to manage their emotions and their stress when they were younger, we wouldn’t have as many addicts in the world if everybody learned how to feel their feelings without being uncomfortable because they can breathe?  ED’s, medical issues, sexual issues, whatever…..the first thing I teach everyone is breathing.  The first thing I tell people is if you don’t take anything away from me except this one concept, it will change your life.  And it’s the foundation of all and any and all spiritual or sexual practices that have to do with Tantra or Eastern philosophies, you know, martial arts, anything like that.  In my world, when I take a breath I think of God.  We start by inhaling and we leave by exhaling and all of that is really all there is.

Male: Yeah, I’m pleased.  I really am. I’m delighted by it as a matter of fact and I’m glad I stumbled upon it and I thank everyone that’s involved because it’s certainly not voodoo I’ll tell you that much.

Tanja: No because breath is given to us – to inhale and exhale.  To me that’s inspiration.  When you think of the word “inspire” to inhale – that’s life.

Male: Yeah.

Tanja: so how can that be anything except what we’re supposed to do? . We’re chronically stressed and we stop breathing. We learn how to stop breathing when we’re little and to carry that tension in our abdomens and to not fully express ourselves or fully inspire ourselves for most of our lives.

Male: Well a baby will breathe with its stomach and then loses it.  I didn’t even know the fundamentals when I first began.   He’d say to me, “deep breath for me now.  No, no, no – your diaphragm moves down, not up”.  I said “really?”  He said “so stop blowing your chest up when you breathe.

Tanja: Right. When I teach people to breathe, basically I say from the nipples up, you shouldn’t have a whole lot of movement going on to begin with.  In fact, when you get really good at breathing you can open your pelvis – I mean literally make the bone move into your pelvis.  So you can breathe into your toes.  You can expand your cranium.  Like I said, it’s a life practice just learning the different breaths.  You cruised my site so you probably thought I have a conscious breath v-book,  which is a video ebook that has 5 of the best breath practices.

Male: Oh yeah.

Tanja: So that’s where I tell people to start.  But it sounds like your guy – has given you the  good fundamentals of the abdominal breathing.  And that’s the core breath and if you never do any breath but that it’s going to be transforming – as it is already.

Male: Well I enjoy it.  The only place I would like to take it now is to be able to use it during sex to be able to have a whole body orgasm and to be able to continue.

Tanja: You’re already doing the practice of bouncing the energy upward and becoming a master of that energy so that when it’s happening  keep experiment.  When you’re feeling that glow starting up your spine – find out if you can visualize it and just hold it there; if you can get into it and just expand it outward instead of upward.

Male: Oh, I see.

Tanja: Yeah, because everything is about expanding outward.  If you expand it outward, what happens?  Well it just gets bigger.  Can you then expand it outward and then upward and once it hits the block can you breath into just visualized breathing right into the place where it’s blocked and expanding that outward?

Male: I see, yeah.

Tanja: And then bringing it up through your head to the roof of your mouth?  So the charge when it hits the roof of your mouth let’s life force energy down on your tongue which feeds the brain.

Male: Oh, I get ya.

Tanja: Then run it back down to your body and then you come back up making these big circles with it.  Like I said you can use prayer and meditation and conscious breath to connect to the universe or God or whatever.

Male: Well when I first experienced it I was resisting it for a reason because I had read that account about that guy who experienced  Kundalini and that’s the way he described it – crashed into his head and it just…I guess it just changed his personality.  He was delusional at times.  He was a full blown psychiatric mess and I said “I can’t have that”.

Tanja: I’ve worked with people like that too that have you know struggled with that and basically unblocking – getting them unblocked is really the key.  Like that garden hose I was talking about or a fireman’s hose and you step on it and you have this kink in it and that’s a problem.  It will start bulging out and stuff and really it’s about this person got a hold of – something happened and they came alive and they started running energy through their body.  That can happen spontaneously.  You hit a bump, you take a breath, something happens and you awaken and then you feel that energy and most people when they feel that energy – they freak out, especially if it’s big and especially if it hits a block.  If it hits a block it can be very painful.

Male: Really?

Tanja: The pain feels like “oh my god, something’s wrong.” Then the panic sets in and now today with the Internet, more and more people are having this problem because more and more people are reading about going crazy.  And so it’s one of those things where I have arguments all the time, in fact there’s a guy that wrote a book about this and it may be one of the guys you’re talking about.  They were explaining this whole thing that I didn’t know what I was talking about, about what happened to him and I said, you know, if this had been the case where having energy awaken caused everyone to go crazy, none of these lineages would have survived.  The linages are based on experiencing divinity through breath and experiencing this amazing life force and why didn’t it accidently happen all the time and this whole thing would have died out.  But what happens here is we don’t’ have a breath practice and we don’t even know what being alive or awake is.  So that’s the biggest thing we have and then we look to whatever the biggest thing that’s written about is, and that’d be Kundalini. Next thing you know, “oh that must be it.” And trying to convince somebody of that it isn’t Kundalini is tough because there is so little written about from a masters perpective.

Male: I’ll bet.

Tanja:  Also because it’s also sexy and cool.  I did a Kundalini awakening – I’m special, I’m sexy, I’m cool.  You know – look at me.  And I’m like, “Dude, your just alive, and waking up, having great feelings.  Enjoy it.  If you’re not speaking your truth and your throat is sore or your throat hurts when it’s hitting, or your heart feels like it’s going to blow up or you get headaches…”  If you get headaches afterwards, once again it’s that energy getting stuck. When energy gets stuck – it hurts.  Unstick it – move, jump around, scream, yell, deep breath….  Then take yourself back down with breaths to relax.  Then it will be fine.  I’ve moved amazing amounts of energy. People havet literally felt  burned from just touching my hand – like physical burnt.

Male: No way.

Tanja: Oh yeah – this mystic stuff is actually true.  I hate to tell you that but some of this is actually true.

Male: Well there’s a gentleman that lives – well I don’t know how you are about my  mentioning names being recorded…but there’s a guy out here in Quincy Mass that does phenomenal things with energy.  His name is Tom Tam.  Do you know who he is?

Tanja: No I don’t.  I have not heard of him.

Male: Look up Tom Tam – Google it.  Tom Tatam.  He can send energy over a phone line.

Tanja: Right.  Yes I have been doing remote energy work my whole life.

Male: Wow, I didn’t know you were that advanced. That’s pretty good.

Tanja I say that I have a linage that goes back 7000 years – these are people that regenerated limbs.  So you’re talking about someone who probably understands the potential for  energy better than most and I know we’re doing some rewrite on my site because my partner keeps saying “People don’t even understand this about you.” This is very serious stuff to me.  I have studied for a long time in a lot of different ways and the main thing is not to be scared; because fear is always our biggest enemy.

Male: Yeah and it needn’t come into conflict with your existing belief system?

Tanja: No, totally.  Because to me, anything that’s occurring naturally – breath being natural, energy being natural – have been created by – if you believe in God it’s going to be God – if you believe in the universe it’s the universe – to me it’s all the same.  And that is a natural occurrence; even if it’s regenerating a limb.  How many animals do you know that can do that. There are animals that regenerate limbs…starfish and all sorts of different things.  That’s a natural occurrence.  It’s not like it’s a mystery but we don’t hear about it, we don’t read about it.  But we hear about miracles with brain recovery and different things as well, right? So clearly we have that potential right?  That potential is in us whether it’s God given thing or universal.

Male: It’s all about intent really.  Our  church warns us against Reiki for example.  Make sure you know your practitioner and know what his intent is because you can open and you can invite ugly spirits and they’ll arrive if you ask them.  They will.

Tanja: It doesn’t have as much to do with your Reiki practitioner as it as to do with you.  So if you’re intent is to only receive love and light, that’s what you’ll receive.  I don’t believe people can do anything to you that you don’t allow.  So I don’t teach fear in the spiritual world. I don’t teach people that they have to put white lights or chant or use crystals to protect themselves. What I teach people is that if you have intent – clear focused intent in your life and your intent is to life a healthy, loving, graceful, gratitude type of life – then that’s what you receive.  It doesn’t matter what’s out there.  Because everything is created anyway, right? So if we created negative energy, we created the positive energy then let’s create the positive and be in touch with that.  So could I believe that I could walk into the most evil of situations but because my intent is not to be in that space of receiving that then I’m not affected by that. I have worked with some pretty crazy people.

Male: You emails and webiste  says “be amazing”, I think you are amazing (laughter)

Tanja: Well why settle for anything less (laughter).  Why just be okay – why not go for amazing? We’ve been given this amazing opportunity in life. That’s how I look at it.  We’re given this amazing opportunity to live and this amazing world we live in and just incredible sunrises and sunsets and feelings and amazing emotions that we’re capable of having. The depths of despair and the most incredible love and tenderness and sexual energy.  It’s like, we should be exploring and embracing all of that to our fullest.  That to me would be exhaulting God.  That to me would be the truest form of worship.

Male: Right, I agree.  I agree whole heartedly!  I really do.  I agree!  In many ways our poor church has taken a bad tumble and they’ve got work to do and they’ve got a lot of work to do.  In some respects they’re missing the mark – they really are.  In some instances  it’s the result of human ego, you know? Doctrines that don’t make sense.  I think there’s one God – I really do.

Tanja: All the religions I’ve read and all the philosophies I’ve  experiences they really all come down to the same thing, which is be in gratitude, be in awe, be amazing and spread that.  (laughter)  Live by example.  Open up…

Male: You’re a disciple.

Tanja: (laughter) I’m amazed by life.  I look out every day at the greens and the trees and the clouds in the sky.  I live in immense gratitude. So I want to thank you for this call and I want to thank you for being courageous  enough to talk about these things and to explore…

Male: Well I appreciate it, I really do and I appreciate your site.

Tanja: Don’t be scared.

Male: No I won’t.  I’ve kind of come down from that.  If you look at the date on my original I’ve kind of come down from that and I said, “no, no, this isn’t’ bad.”  But when it hit me over the head, particularly the first few days, I said “I’m pretty cranked up here.  Did I ignite something here that I will not be able to suppress?”

Tanja: Right, well you know here’s the thing.  When I said to you it’s prayer – when you’re experiencing big energy “Hey, God take my hand – show me how big this can be.  Be here with me.” That’s it really.  How can I use this energy for your good – for our good – for this life?  And that’s giving this energy intent and focus.

Male: It’s pretty funny,  I really don’t want this to go anywhere but I’m kind of digging it.  Is this alright?

Tanja: When you said the word intent, that’s really it.  If you intend when you go on these journeys – if you intend these journeys to be the better good of your better good of man kind’s better good, of God’s better good – that’s what your doing is exploring that energy.  Whether or not it’s sexual energy – because I don’t think it is a problem,  you know  God and sexual energy. People  they don’t like to talk these things togerher. But I keep saying, “Hey that’s part of our bodies – part of the world.”

Male: It’s a gift that was given to us.

Tanja: Well that’s it. So bring the glory to that; to the same way that you would anything else.

Male: Right

Tanja:  There you have it.

Male: Thank you again.  I”ll be visiting your site for updates and any insights.

Tanja: I’m on Facebook a lot too.